Radical Racist Left Seizes On Trayvon Martin, Threatens Violence
March 23, 2012 29 Comments
The death of Trayvon Martin has brought all of the race baitors out of the woodwork. Martin died when a self appointed neighborhood watchman, George Zimmerman, shot him. Zimmerman hasn’t been arrested, the death was apparently determined to be an act of self defense. Race baitors have suggested otherwise, painting Zimmerman as a racist who sought out and killed Martin because he’s black. Zimmerman in the media has been portrayed as white, which has turned this situation into a massive racial free for all.
There’s only one problem. George Zimmerman isn’t white. Zimmerman is a Spanish speaking Hispanic from a multiracial family. That of course doesn’t mean he can’t be an anti-black racist, he may very well be. But it changes the racial undertones of this situation. Of course the media continues to portray Zimmerman as white and race baitors in the black community continue to as well. Their purpose is to portray America as a racist nation where blacks have to fear for their lives at the hands of wicked, racist whites. Reporting that Zimmerman is in fact Hispanic and likely multiracial destroys the narrative.
And what a narrative it is. We have high school students storming out of class because Zimmerman hasn’t been charged. Never mind that they don’t have all the information because the investigation is still going on. The students are of course being egged on by their leftist teachers. Al Sharpton is in Florida threatening violence. Louis Farrakhan is threatening retaliation, presumably against white people even though the shooter isn’t white. MSNBC host Karen Finney blamed Martin’s death on Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. Not to be out done President Obama tried to personalize the whole situation by claiming that Martin would have looked just like him.
In short, all the leftists are out in force on this one local incident. Why is that? Because they have a political reason for doing this, they’re trying demonize whites and they’re subtly suggesting that voting against Obama is equal to racism. Their whole narrative, which is that whites hate blacks, is destroyed with the fact that Zimmerman isn’t white. When we look at the black leadership’s reaction, it’s nothing short of outrageous. Sharpton and Farrakhan both threatened violence over this death. Obama absurdly tried to personalize it, even though just like the Prof. Louis Gates situation he doesn’t know all the facts. None of us do.
It may very well be that this death wasn’t an act of self defense and thus wasn’t justified. It may be that Zimmerman, if he isn’t a racist at least has anti-black tendencies. It would be odd considering he allegedly has black family members, but anything is possible. A Grand Jury is set to hear this case in April, the facts will come out then. But until then, turning this situation into a giant attack on white people by jumping to conclusions is nothing short of outrageous. Of course when Al Sharpton is involved anything short of outrageous would be shocking.
Everyone needs to calm down and let the Grand Jury do its job. We need to have faith in our legal system. To venture a guess, a Grand Jury won’t indict Zimmerman with first degree murder because absent evidence we don’t know of yet there doesn’t appear to be the necessary intent. But they could indict him with second degree murder or manslaughter. Or perhaps evidence will show that Martin was up to no good and threatened Zimmerman which then justified the shooting. But we have to let the legal process work its way out rather than jumping to conclusions, accusing whites of collective racism, threatening violence and retaliation.
About Steven
Not one word of empathy or solace for the parents and other relatives of the dead 17 year-old teenager. You think Obama’s statement is outrageous because he actually has the ability to understand what millions of other normal people in this country feel about the loss of a child. What do other normal parents think when they hear about the tragedy of someone else’s child “That could have been my child, or maybe in the way Obama express it, “My child would have looked just like that child.” Unfortunately Steve, you lack all Christian concern for our fellow human beings. I do not believe that any real Christian would have much use for your outlook on people. Actually, I have seen other well versed Christians respond to your writings in this blog and say exactly that.
Every story that I have read and have heard in the “main stream media” has repeatedly stated that Mr. Zimmerman was of mixed racial back ground. Of course, if I were to listen to the far-right religious extremist, Louis Farrakhan, I too would believe that popular reaction to the death of Trayvon was irrational and verging on violence. I know, however, that Louis Farrakhan does not represent the way most blacks think or react to events. Al Sharpton is another extremist who is ignored by most rational and thoughtful people.
Only you could see the genuine reaction of anger to the killing of Trayvon as a left-wing conspiracy to help re-elect Obama. That is truly bizarre.
I’m not writing about the death of Trayvon Martin here. I’m writing about the political aspect of it. We don’t know all the facts yet on his death. New details are coming out everyday which both pit blame on Zimmerman and Martin. I feel bad for his parents, the phone call any parent never wants to receive is the one telling them their kid is dead. But his death is not the focus of this entry.
As for Obama, his statements were needlessly inflammatory. There was no reason for him to say what he said, other than he wants to let all the radicals know he’s on their side. Meanwhile the radicals are race baiting and creating chaos in Florida. Sharpton, the Black Panthers and Farrakhan are threatening violence and retribution. Instead of getting involved and siding with radicals, Obama should have urged clam and told everyone to let the legal process work its way out. But of course, preaching calm has never been Obama’s move. He learned nothing from his 2009 comments on the Prof. Gates situation. .
You were the one who made it political. No reasonable person abides by some of the people you attribute such authority to. Obama’s voice was a voice of empathy and calming to the country Especially to the minority communities-the opposite of what you believe. The minority communities are the people who know that they are indeed targeted by the police because of their skin colors. All the evidence in the world in every study and in every court has proven that over and over again. If Obama had simply said, as you suggested that,” We will let the legal system sort this out”- with no concern or empathy for the loss of life and the concern for how minorities are treated on a daily basis then I would say he was not fit to be President. Obama is not the chief of the local police or a local politician trying to stay away from a local issue. This is a national issue with millions of people grieving and angry over the killing of this innocent young man. A President needs to speak to a nation at such times in a manner that shows empathy and courage. That is what Obama did.
As far your statement saying that Martin may be somehow responsible for his own shooting death you are being preposterous. Your allegation of Martin’s possible culpability puts you in the same outrageous league as Sharpton and Farrakhan.Fact One: Zimmerman was not supposed to be carrying a gun on his patrol. Fact Two: Martin did not have a weapon Fact Three: Martin was heading away from Zimmerman when he was shot. Fact Four: The community patrols are only allowed to call the police and are not allowed to apprehend a suspect. Fact Five: Martin has no prior criminal record. Fact Six: Zimmerman called the suspect an “asshole” because he believed that Martin was going to escape just like every other suspect. It appears from Zimmerman’s recorded telephone conversation to 911 and his decision to defy the rule against carrying a gun that he was on a real gun-toting vigilante mission that ultimately ended with his killing of an unarmed 17 year-old teenager.How do I know the above? I have read the news stories and listened to the recorded 911 conversation.
I am glad however, that you do realize the agony that any parent would go through having had their child suddenly and violently killed.
I’m hardly the one who made this issue political. I am one man with a modest blog online. There are a legion of leftists wearing hoodies in “solidarity” with Martin. Those are the folks who turned this into a political issue, not me.
We don’t know all of the facts of the case yet. Zimmerman may or may not be guilty of some form a murder or manslaughter, likely not first degree. My point though is that we don’t know all the facts yet and should withhold judgment at least until after the grand jury has the opportunity to view the evidence. There is some evidence out there that in my legal opinion looks very bad for Zimmerman. On the other hand, there is apparently a new witness out there saying that Martin attacked first. To judge it all as Obama and others have without all of the evidence is absolutely absurd.
I thank God we try people in a court of law rather than a court of public opinion. Sharpton, Farrakhan and the Black Panthers are busy threatening violence and retribution even though they don’t know all the facts. Spike Lee and other leftists are busy tweeting Zimmerman’s home address, for no other reason than to encourage people to harass or attack those that live there. All encouraged by Obama, who rather than trying to diffuse the situation decided to personalize it. Perhaps he’s just a narcissist or perhaps he has no problem with violence against supposedly racist Hispanics.
Look, there is an ocean of difference between Obama and some small groups of lunatics who are trying ti incite violence. Seems to me that you doth protest too much: Why-because you who are on the far-right are trying to do exactly what you are alleging Obama is doing: i.e. link Obama to unpopular radicals when in fact there is no link. To say that Obama’s statement encouraged any of the media hounds or lunatics is rubbish. Your statement that maybe Obama has no problem with violence against racist-Hispanics is beyond contempt. What on earth are you basing such a ridiculous statement on? You are right, we do not know all the facts. We probably never will know all the facts. And even after the facts are known there will be plenty of people who will ignore the facts to suit their individual ideological bent. So what should we do now: don’t make villains out of innocent people and don’t try to turn this tragedy in to a political football game of right versus left. That is what reasonable people on all sides of the political divide should do-including you.
So Sharpton and Farrakhan are leaders of a small group of lunatics? How absurd in light of all the protests taking place in Florida and across the nation.
What should we be dong right now? We shouldn’t be declaring Zimmerman guilty or innocent until the legal process is allowed to play out a little more. We’ll know a lot more after the Grand Jury hearing next month. Presumably at that point we’ll know enough about the facts that most will be able to make a reasonable judgment on the matter.
Even then, we have to remember that the prosecution has to be able to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. That may not be impossible in this case, especially with a lesser charge such as manslaughter. But it may be a difficult standard to prove based on some of the evidence that’s out there right now, especially so if the new witness that says Martin was the attacker is credible.
But once again we don’t know all the facts yet. So why are there protests? Why are Sharpton, Farrakhan and the Black Panthers threatening violence? Why is Obama talking about a murder case in Florida, the facts of which no one knows for sure? The left has an agenda here, they’re want to demonize white people, pretend like blacks are the victims of endless racist attacks and they want to create a chaotic situation. Otherwise, no one would care about this case besides the kid’s parents and a handful of other people in Florida.
I care about this case! I am not black, I do not live in Florida and I am not interested in demonizing white people. Minorities do suffer from endless racial profiling and at times deadly racial attacks. Any decent Christian, black or white, would care about this senseless killing of a teenage boy by a gun-toting vigilante. You have no idea what it is like to be black and to be subject to endless racial profiling. You state: “Otherwise, no one would care about this case besides the kid’s parents and a handful of other people in Florida.” No one would care Steve? Public reaction is all one left-wing theatrical show for political gain?? That statement shows how truly clueless you are.
Al Sharpton is a media prostitute. Just as I don’t accuse all of the far-right of being followers of David Duke or Ann Coulter I don’t think that you should make an argument against people who care about the shooting of Martin because of the rantings of several lunatics who always manage to get in front of the cameras. If you were actually able to care about this senseless shooting and the loss for the family you wouldn’t make such crass statements.
Put away your paranoia for a few days about conspiracies and join the real world.
Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, George Zimmerman, and how many others: all victims of the left-wing conspiracy, Right? According to you-absolutely.
Only Jesus knows what is truly in the hearts of those people who are protesting Tryvon Martin’s death. I am sure that Jesus wants us to comfort this family thorough their grief. Let the impostors have their day, I will allow myself to grieve and to care about this unfortunate child of God who meant an early needless death.
You only care about this case because it’s become a media sensation. Otherwise, you wouldn’t even know about. I wonder if you care about the hundreds, perhaps thousands of black kids killed every year by other black kids. You never seem to talk about that. But when it serves to inflame racial division you and the left love to talk about the death of black kids.
David Duke, the socialist? Are you really bringing up that guy?
I never said George Zimmerman was the victim of any kind of conspiracy. Zimmerman seems to be a bit of an idiot, he set himself up for a problem with his actions a month ago. He’s either a murderer or he’s a overzealous fool. What he is the victim of is a rush to judgment by the left which is feigning outrage a month after the kid died.
Sure Steve, I’ll bet your little heart just breaks for the black kids who are killed in the ghettos. David Duke is on the far right-he is not a socialist. How do you know what I talk about? How do you know I am not involved in trying to stop any kind of senseless violence? Against blacks. Against women. You are the one, like your fellow far-right travelers, Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, O’Reilly who sensational events with miss-statements and ridiculously inflammatory statements. How many times does Limbaugh have to get fired or apologize for his racists or misogynists statements? Ann Coulter is famous for her asinine inflammatory statements. And why isn’t Zimmerman a victim of the left-wing conspiracy? It is not directed at him but he is certainly at the center of it and a victim of it according to you. The far-right will never understand and never believe that the anyone who cares about the suffering of others is legitimate-why? Because you and your fellow Federalists don’t care about the less fortunate. You are as far from being a follower of Jesus as any human being could possibly be. Indeed, Jesus said to love thy neighbor-all your neighbors-not just the far-right neighbors. When you do in fact become a real Christian you may have something worthwhile to tell the world.
Actually, I do care about the less fortunate. That’s why I believe in freedom and limited government. It’s why I believe in a strong church. Just because I reach different conclusions than you doesn’t mean I don’t care for the less fortunate. That’s the problem with the left, you guys believe that anyone who doesn’t agree with a government solution cares not for the less fortunate. But that just isn’t true no matter how often you guys insist that it is.
David Duke is a self defined socialist.
If Zimmerman is a victim it’s because he’s being unjustly accused of murder. It isn’t clear yet whether that charge is unjust, though as more evidence trickles out about this case it appears that Zimmerman may very well have acted in self defense. But again, the legal process hasn’t taken place yet and all the evidence isn’t out there for the public yet.
Do you really want to engage in an endless left vs right battle over outrageous, inflammatory or otherwise incorrect statements made by commentators? We can do this if you want, but it seems to me to be rather a waste of time.
No I do not want to waste my time over outrageous inflammatory statements whether they come from Sharpton or Limbaugh. That was my point right from the start. Just because some media hogs have hijacked the Martin shooting doesn’t mean that there is a “leftist” conspiracy to boost Obama’s chances of re-election.There isn’t. You need to stop making outrageous, inflammatory and untrue statements about people who hold different views from you. Contrary to your belief that the all leftists want the government to help all the disadvantaged you couldn’t be more wrong.There is an enormous amount of charitable giving and charitable help given in this country from people of all political stripes to the disadvantaged. But charities cannot do it alone. There is a very important job for government in helping those who need help that cannot be done by charity. We need Social Security. Right? We need regulation of our food supply. Right?
So it is not just that government has no function at all it is a question of what function and how much. And, yes, you far-right Federalists really do not care about the disadvantaged because if you did you wouldn’t have a knee-jerk negative reaction to every government program design to help them.Rather then looking at the purpose and results of a government program you would rather ridicule the recipients and call for the impeachment of any politician who supported the program.
So tell me how does the life of Jesus and his example of personal poverty, caring, charity and love for the down trodden fit in with your political beliefs?
When Limbaugh holds a rally and says crazy things at it, when Coulter offers $10,000 for someone’s head on a platter then we can talk about how these people and leftists like Sharpton are the same.
Here’s where we disagree, I don’t believe that private charity alone isn’t enough. Social Security wasn’t created to help old people, it was created to get them out of the work force and thus lower unemployment during the Depression. It was all about helping FDR’s poll numbers, it had nothing to do with actually helping anyone.
Government shouldn’t by force take from one person and give it to another. The poor, what few there actually are in America, must be taken care of not by government but by private charity. Specifically the church. Government does little more than steal from one group of voters and hand the money off to another group of voters. There is nothing Christian about making people slaves of the state. There is nothing Christian about encouraging people not to work when the can in fact work.
Steve, please tell me where you have found the proof that the entire purpose, as you say, of Social Security, was to get old people out of the work force and thus lower the unemployment rate and improve Roosevelt’s chances of being re-elected. Your cynical view is remarkable. Please tell me where I can get the information to support your incredibly dark view of human nature and politics. Please-enlighten me! Please do not respond that it was probably the main reason or that one of the reasons was or any other clarifying back step. You said it and you and your fellow Federalist obviously believe it and most likely rely upon such a belief about the reason for the passage of Social Security as a prime example of the monstrosity of any government social program, i.e its all about buying votes and winning elections!
I await your reply.
Hey, did you hear about the white guy that gunned down a black guy in Philadelphia a few months ago? Or how about the two black guys that beat a white starbucks worker to death on his way home? No? There is no coincidence that this is national news and it’s this close to election time. White/Hispanic…is that even a category? This stream is awesome but I think Steven wins…
The statistics show that there is twice as many black on white murders as there are white on black murders. The statistics also show that the overwhelming majority of murders happen between members of the same race. So I don’t think this is an issue where members of the opposite race need to be afraid of each other or anything like that. But it is important to note the facts, which I cite from the Justice Department, show that there is twice as much black on white murder compared to white on black murder.
What I think we’re seeing is the Obama re-election strategy in play. Every single time a black person is attacked by a white person we’re going to hear about it in the national media. The message is clear, whites are racist. If you’re white and don’t want to be called racist, why you have the opportunity to re-elect Obama in November. That’s their message. It’s going to be a very dirty, nasty campaign.
So Josh, then its all about manipulating the media to focus on the kind of crime that would motivate black people to vote for Obama again-right? Even though Obama won over 90% of the black vote last election and I would tend to believe will do even better this time. Or, as Steve believes, white liberal guilt will induce many white people to vote for Obama to show the world that they are not racists. How anyone will know how these conscious-stricken white folks actually voted behind the voting booth curtain is beyond me. Poll booth surveys cannot be trusted of course. I can just see the bumper stickers now, ” I Voted For Obama I’m Not A White Racist”.
Is the Philadelphia shooting related to the racial profiling of white people by black criminals or the harassment we whites get from law enforcement agencies because of our white skins?
Is the Star Bucks shooting related to racial profiling against white people by blacks? Was it white or black citizens who were being profiled by the New Jersey State Police which prompted the State to settle a class action and promise to make reforms?
Are you saying Josh that there is a history of wide spread black racial profiling of white people to victimize as criminals rather than their picking black victims? I wonder how the government or the judicial system would remedy such a conspiracy by black criminals?
Now if you are arguing that somehow the Obama people are better at manipulating the media to promote the fortunes of Obama than I guess you may be right. The answer to that of course is in your hands. Get out there and make the media tell both sides of the story! Protest! Stir up some trouble! Let the world know that white people are the victims of black crimes too! Let people know that every white victim of a black is the result of racial profiling by a black criminal! Your activities may even result in a new Civil Rights Act making it illegal for black criminals to victimize whites dis-proportionally.
Its your job Josh to get the media to focus on the racial profiling of whites by black criminals! And Steve Birn is a genius. Only he could slice through the media hype and political madness to discover the truth about the Martin-Zimmerman conspiracy on the part of the Obama re-election campaign. Its all about re-electing Obama and has nothing to do with the reckless murder of a teenager. Who gives a damn about a 17 year-old black teen from Florida anyhow? Certainly not you Josh and certainly not Steve Birn.
Cheers
SECOND REQUEST:
Steve, please tell me where you have found the proof that the entire purpose, as you say, of Social Security, was to get old people out of the work force and thus lower the unemployment rate and improve Roosevelt’s chances of being re-elected.
Again, please do not respond that it was probably the main reason or that one of the reasons was or any other clarifying back step.
A little antidote: I was watching CBS News one Sunday morning a couple of years ago with an interview of Pat Robinson of the 717 Club. The far-right born again one-time Presidential candidate. Mr. Robinson said in the interview that President Thomas Jefferson had made a specific statement that Jefferson would not have an atheist in his administration.I did not believe that Jefferson had ever said anything like that knowing how cynical Jefferson was of religion. After much research and consulting with the Jefferson library I am now convinced that Robinson was dead wrong. I wonder how many people have heard Robinson make that false historical statement and how many have repeated it and believed it?
So Steve: Where did you get your information concerning Social Security and the Roosevelt administration? I have done some research and can only come up with some pretty unreliable, way-out sources.
Next, I will do some research at the Roosevelt Library in Hyde Park, NY. Would that be a reliable source or would it be suspect because the library is devoted to Roosevelt?
Forgive me, I didn’t see your previous comment.
I would encourage you to read New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR’s Economic Legacy Has Damaged America by Burton W. Folsom.
His name is Pat Roberson and his show was the 700 Club. I’m not sure anyone takes Robertson seriously anymore. I’m not a doctor but I suspect he he has been suffering from some form of dementia for the last decade. He has made increasingly bizarre statements over the years. The first time I noticed this is around a decade ago when he claimed he could leg press 2,000 pounds in the gym. In any event, I have fundamental theological disagreements with Robertson and Liberty University.
Robertson of course!Contrary to your assertion, many people on the Christian far-right take Robertson very seriously. I think he just made headlines by endorsing the legalization of pot.What Robertson thinks and says is very important to many Americans. His statement about Haiti and its pack with the devil is probably not considered off the wall by most evangelical Christians in this country.
I am very curious though as to what your basic theological difference might be with Robertson and the sublime Liberty University. Is it something that might cause either you or them to roast in hell forever?
I don’t think many people take Robertson seriously anymore. The Christian Coalition fell apart in the 90′s and he’s been more or less rendered irrelevant because of it. I’m on the periphery of these circles and I assure you no one is talking about Pat Robertson. The only people who are about him are liberal media remembers who love to report his increasingly bizarre statements. Last week he was going on about how Peyton Manning will get injured as punishment for the Broncos getting rid of Tebow. He’s a sick old man, he really needs to be left alone.
I’m reformed and at heart a Presbyterian even though I’m a member of a Dutch Reformed church. Robertson is an evangelical baptist. I’m a Calvinist, he’s an Arminian, I’m post-millennial, he’s per-millenial. I believe in the regulative principle of worship, he does not. I believe in infant baptism, he does not. I’m a theonomist, he is not.
I think you need to read Plato’s analogy of the cave again. Also, I highly recommend Elaine Pagels, “Revelations”. Its brand new. Pagels theorizes that the”Book of Revelations” was written by John of Patmos, a Jewish prophet and follower of Jesus. What he was really writing about though, according to Princeton scholar Pagels, was the destruction of the Roman pagan empire and not the world in general . After John’s death Rome became Christian and John’s beloved prophetic eschatology was made a part of the Bible.
Again, Steve, I’ll be more than happy to buy you a copy if you would like to take a peek at it.
Cheers!
It is my position that John 24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 67ad while Robertson believes it’s about some future event. His reading of it makes absolutely no sense as Christ was talking to literal people about an event that would happen (and did) in their lifetime. It is my further position that Revelations isn’t literal. The millennium isn’t a literal 1,000 years but rather represents a long period of time in Jewish literature. Thus it is my position that we’re in the reign of Christ thus His return is post-millennial. It is Robertson’s position that the 1,000 year period is literal and thus he’s constantly looking for a sign of end times coming. Their theories border on the absurd and have frankly been a constant source of embarrassment for Christians over the last 100 years.
Steve, why don’t you take a completely different perspective and read Pagels book rather then arguing with Robertson’s theology which is really an argument amounting to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Have you read anything by Pagels? Or perhaps you do not feel that she may have anything to contribute to your world view-since perhaps you have already learned everything you need to know about the universe. Pagels’ work is based upon the discoveries of the Gnostic writings and other Christian ” Revelations” prophecies found in Egypt in 1945. I much prefer religion sans “Revelations”.
Burton Folsom is a faculty member of the famous far-right Hillsdale College. I have searched his book, “New Deal or Raw Deal” and unfortunately, I have not been able to find any direct statement made by Mr. Folsom that the reason Social Security was enacted was to help Roosevelt win re-election. In fact, Social Security did not go into effect for payments to prospective voters until 1940. Further, the number of recipients of the benefit would number in the thousands-far less than would make any substantial difference in an election. I would also think that the enacting a Social Security payroll tax that began reducing individual take home pay in 1936 with no immediate corresponding benefit would be political suicide for a sitting President. Roosevelt survived the new tax only because of his popularity. Certainly Folsom’s book makes the argument that the Democrats bought votes with their New Deal programs but there is nothing as far as I can find that supports your argument about it being nothing but a program to help Roosevelt’s re-election.
I’d also like to note that Folsom’s argument that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act was one of the three main reasons for the Great Depression is completely unsupported by historical facts. Smoot-Hawley was enacted in 1930-nearly a year after the great crash on Wall Street. Secondly, imports and exports were a small part of the American economy in the late 1920s. Even conservative economist, Milton Freidman states that Smoot-Hawley had little effect on the economy. If Folsom wasn’t so blinded by his far-right ideology he might actually be able to get his facts straight and his analysis might be worth following.
Cheers!
I’m not much interested in an argument that Revelations is a gnostic book, especially when made by some woman at a far left “seminary.” I don’t feel the need to battle Robertson’s poor end times theology because I don’t deal with a circle of Christians who believe in it. Those outside of the evangelical pre-mil world don’t focus on end times much at all. My church, for example, is ah-mil which is a slight variation on my position. It isn’t a big deal, no one cares about the difference.
As for Folsom, if we are going to dismiss him for being on the faculty of Hillsdale then I must dismiss anyone at Harvard, Princeton and Columbia out of hand. Folsom made the argument in his book as I recall. Simply logic could also be applied considering the unemployment rate in the 30′s.
As for Smoot-Hawley, the tariff most certainly helped cause the depression. The stock market crash of 1929 alone wouldn’t have been enough to create a decade plus long depression. Many other events also contributed to the depression lasting as long as it did. Smoot-Hawley is one of the contributing factors, as are FDR’s tax rates (both the income tax rates and his excise tax rates) and the New Deal. If it was just a stock market crash, the depression would have been a recession that lasted a year or two.
Some “women” ?? So it might be worth reading if it was some “man”??? Princeton is a far-left university? No Steve, Princeton, Harvard, Yale Columbia actually have professors on the right, far right and the left of most subjects unlike Hillsdale which has no room for anyone who might be center or slightly left of center. Hillsdale is a dysfunctional school for the willfully close-minded among us.
Read Folsom again. YOU have tried to summarize Folsum’s book to make it say something the book did not state. You made a distinct and direct accusation about Social Security and you do not have a source to back up the allegation. How many other inflammatory untruths have you and your other far-right friends been making all these years? You think Robertson is nuts because of his false statements?? Hey pal, I think its time that you and your Federalists buddies start looking in the mirror to see how many major pieces of supposed truth that you follow are nothing but summarized nonsense. I really did appreciate the chance to respond to your rantings though-unlike those right-wing radio jocks who never have to deal with a critic.
Cheers
Princeton is a fair and balanced school? Sure it is.
If you don’t care to think logically, that’s your business. But when you consider what Social Security is, when you consider that historically people never really retired and when you consider that the nation had 15-25% unemployment rates throughout the 30′s suddenly the purpose of social security doesn’t appear to be about helping old people as much as it was getting them out of the work force. But hey, if you don’t want to consider an alternative theory of the program, that’s your business.
Your response is just like the other right-wing zealots I have tried to interest in reading something that might rattle their world view. No way! Yes Steve, Hillsdale is the place that all responsible parents should send their children. Right??? Far away from those loony liberal professors like Henry Kissinger, Milton Freidman, Robert George. In fact I would recommend that a special affirmative action policy be invoked by all of the Ivy League schools to hire more Republicans. But no-not just Republicans,not those middle of the road Republicans-they will not help-you need the Rick Santorum type Republicans. Republicans who throw up when they hear about the separation of church and state. Too bad Santorum wasn’t around when our founding fathers created the Republic. By God we would have an official religion wouldn’t we?
Steve, you still have not understood the misogyny you have so readily displayed. Rather than criticize Rush Limbaugh about calling Sandra Fluke a slut and a prostitute you joined right in by calling her ugly. Not only calling her ugly but stating that she probably isn’t a slut because she is not attractive enough. Do you realize that your logic is the same logic men used to justify rape. “She was asking for it because her dress was too short.” You name calling was infantile, cruel and an act of bullying. You might get away with it when you are with your far-right pals at the Federalist group but not in any reasonable, mature group that I have ever been a part of. For an attorney in his late thirties who claims to be a Christian it is truly appalling thing to do.
Your above comment above concerning Pagels “some women” also shows the same misogyny. You are truly amazing! You do not have a clue.
Lastly. I do not believe that paying taxes in a democracy is akin to being a slave. You have the right to vote out the scoundrels who passed that tax you don’t like. Real slaves don’t vote. Real slaves have no choice. Do you really think that the citizens of Canada feel like slaves. Have you helped anyone recently travel to the United States from Canada on the underground railroad? So you think all the people who have state health care plans in Europe are too stupid to know that they are slaves. Why don’t you tell them Steve?
Again Steve, you and your fellow Utopian capitalists use the extremely inflammatory term “slave” to stir up hatred and loathing in people for anything connected to a government program. You don;t like taxes? Neither do I. But taxes are necessary-ask anyone who has run a government.
I realize of course, that you will continue on your very misguided course. You will continue to use inflammatory words and make wholly unsupported and illogical arguments. You will continue to be a bully. I only hope that I never read about your obtaining any real power over others.
In theological matters, I’m not particularly interested in what some woman “theologian” has to say. Scripture is quite clear that theology, pastoring and church leadership is the domain of men. Beyond that, even if she was a man I’m not interested in some bizzare gnostic interpretation of Revelations offered up by a leftist. I’m aware of such interpretations, I have studied these matters before. I reject them as unscriptural and unfounded. Why is that so hard to believe?
The Ivy League has 10 to 1 leftists to Republicans much less conservative. My wife and I have discussed whether we would send our kids to Hillsdale or not. Everyone I’ve met who graduated from that school seems to come away with a well rounded, intellectual education. In short, they know how to think not what to think. I’d send my kids there. There’s something to be said though for going to a place like James Madison College at Michigan State wherein a conservative student is going to be forced to endlessly debate and defend his position. But I suppose it depends on the kid and what they’re more interested in doing.
” some bizzare gnostic interpretation of Revelations offered up by a leftist” You just know-you don;t even have to bother reading it! Good for you! Great education you got Steve-did you get it at Hillsdale? The only thing that is bizzare is you Steve. You have to be one of the biggests losers I have ever come across. You can’t be real! You can’t be-please dear God wake me up! Its 10 Democrats to 2 Republicans-where do you get your facts-from some part of your anatomy???